Until recently, as Flint points out, Penn's always had two or three guys who were good to very-good basketball players, not just solid athletes. Mark Zoller was a much better basketball player than he was an athlete, whereas guys like Kevin Egee (and the roster is filled with guys like Egee) are better athletes than they are basketball players.

I don't think Miller's recruiting athletic stiffs by any means. On the other hand, he's recruiting a homogenously mediocre group of basketball players.

Even looking back at the Final Four team in '82, a guy like Matt White was an utterly undistinguished athlete, no better than any of the bigger guys on recent Penn squads. Matt White couldn't rebound with a tenth of the toughness of a Mike Howlett. Boonie Salters was a much better basketball player than athlete. Willis was the most athletic guy on the team and he could also play basketball; whereas Tony Price and Tim Smith were very good athletes but even better players.

I think there's a point I'm trying to make here?

"Penn always had two or three guys who athletically were just - and that's why they dominated. They don't have an Archibong or an Onyekwe, or a Michael Jordan. They're a good team, but athletically, Penn was just a little bit better."

For those of you undergrads who aren't already in the know, the Tucheses are rather large at Penn, and some have said that Kishin Tuches can really get things done over at Weightman.

Please send my best regards to your daughter Paininda.

FOJL, Ernie, Rodney, Kishin and others...seriously, have a great Thanksgiving!

Our school has plenty of kids who hail from Philadelphia, NYC, LI, Westchester/Rockland, North Jersey, South Jersey, Baltimore/Washington.

Does every single one feel compelled to "rush home" on that Tuesday?

Not everyone lives in rural Minnesota.

FOJL

"I was just wondering if the Drexel students, who will be upset with their team’s shabby performance at the end of this season, will decry the fact that their team looks like a bunch of kids from the South Bronx?"

That's good, man. Trechantly expressed.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I guess the point that bothered me the most was the self-congratulatory tone of the "Minnesota" remark and its subsequent affirmation here.

I was just wondering if the Drexel students, who will be upset with their team's shabby performance at the end of this season, will decry the fact that their team looks like a bunch of kids from the South Bronx?

Let's get healthy, thereby improving shot selection and depth, and see where this season takes us. I, for one, am not ready to throw in the towel....yet.